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Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

Posted on: January 11, 2012 12:21 am
Edited on: January 24, 2012 10:53 am
The Cincinnati Reds have turned themselves into a major player in a competitive division with three big moves this winter.

Their surprise signing of closer Ryan Madson was perhaps the best of the trio of impactful acquisitions, following the four-for-one-trade for starter Mat Latos and the pitching swap of starter Travis Wood for lefthanded reliever Sean Marshall. Madson comes on a one-year deal, giving himself a chance to rack up a lot of saves on a very good team while giving the Reds a reasonable deal for the righthander who established his closing credentials just last year with his very nice season in Philadelphia.

The Madson agreement, first reported by, shores up a solid bullpen that was already enhanced with the importing of Marshall, one of the game's better lefty relievers. The rotation is probably still the Reds' biggest area of concern, but Latos brings another big young arm. Latos went to Cincinnati in a risky trade of four top prospects, but he is the No. 2 pitcher they had been seeking. He earned a rep for immaturity in San Diego, but perhaps a fresh start with a contender will help.

The Cardinals still look solid even after losing superstar Albert Pujols, thanks to the return of Adam Wainwright and free-agent pickup of Carlos Beltran, but the Brewers may take a step back unless they can somehow find a way to keep Prince Fielder. Meanwhile, the Reds, who badly underachieved last year following a playoff season in 2010, definitely look like a team to be reckoned with.

Category: MLB
Tags: Reds, Ryan Madson

Since: May 2, 2007
Posted on: January 12, 2012 2:31 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

grabbing him in every fantasy league. should put up solid numbers. 

Since: May 26, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 2:18 pm

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

(score runs) - Agree, about THAT! Drew Stubbs needs to learn, how to NOT strike-out, so often, and Votto, Phillips and few others don't NEED to be, the ones who provide the hits and runs. There should be more balance, in hit/run/on-base production ... up and down the future line-up, so that the Reds' fine, pitching staff isn't working on so-SMALL of a margin, so to speak.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 1:32 pm

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

Writers have to write to they write.

I have to agree though, the Madson deal IS the best move the Reds have made this winter...If for no other reason, it's the ONLY move where the Reds didn't give up 3-4 possible answers for just 1 possible answer, so the Reds didn't continue to decimate the best farm talent they've had in 25 years, all in one offseason. The Reds also get Madson's younger arm $2 million cheaper than Coco Cordero's declined 2012 option, if anyone other than the Reds are counting nickels. 

I doubt the Reds are finished making moves, considering after the Latos and Marshall trades, they only have 3 outfielders with MLB experience, on the entire roster. 

I wouldn't worry much about Madson feeling any "closer pressure" on the Dusty Baker Reds, as Dusty will probably use him much like Charlie Manuel did as a situational reliever- about 4-5 days a week regardless of the score.

The jury is still out on how the Reds improved pitching and defense will pan out in a hitter's park, in a hitter's park division, with a strikeout prone offense that struggles to score between homers, but I expect the Reds will show up and give it a try.

The Cardinals aren't better without Pujols yet, but they aren't bad either. They can still pitch and Beltran is a bona-fide hitter that improves the Cardinals outfield defense. Pujols' departure not only gives the Cardinals a chance to allow Freese to step up sooner (as an impact player)and Berkman to stay effective longer (at 1b), it frees up a whole lot of salary for future players.

People argue the Brewers can't replace Prince Fielder with Aramis Ramirez, but I would argue they can replace 80% of him and improve the defense at the same time, that way. They still have a solid rotation and 2 closers. What they can't replace is Ryan Braun if his 50 game PED suspension hold up.

Any team that plays .500 in the NL Central division is in the conversation, and these 3 qualify.  


Since: Feb 28, 2009
Posted on: January 11, 2012 12:15 pm

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

Baseball writers are way to overdramatic.

The Red's may be a little better, but how does this make them a major player? Latos wasn't even that good last year.

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 11:58 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

The still look solid even after losing superstar , thanks to the return of and free-agent pickup of ,
No way does that make them "even".  They already had Wainwright.  They swapped Pujols for Beltran, which isn't anything close to even.  They're still a force and probably division favorites, but don't have the offense they did at end of last season.

Since: Feb 3, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 11:11 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

shaggy I cannot agree with you more.  Phils are in desparate need for a 3b and basically there isn't a 3b out there in the FA market.

Since: Jan 6, 2012
Posted on: January 11, 2012 11:02 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

What's so stunning about signing a solid major league relief pitcher? I think it's more stunning the Phillies let him go. Madson and Papelbon together would've made for a killer bullpen. For a team that has a motto of World Series Championship or Bust, the "non signing" of Madson by the Phils is the real stunner. I'm not a Reds fan, but signing Madson is like finding your best present 1 day after Christmas. It's a great move, but hardly stunning.

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: January 11, 2012 10:56 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

Sorry to see Madsen move on, but his agent really misplayed his hand in this one. I hope Madsen can handle the pressures. He had a nice season last year, but it was only a part season as closer. One year deal makes sense to see if he is the real deal like Papelbon is and has been for many seasons. Good luck Ryan, except against the Phillies.

Since: Jun 8, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 10:18 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

it's a great move by the a Phillies fan, i'm sorry to see Madson go...i think we overpaid for Papelbon...we shouldve resigned Madson for less than we paid Papelbon, and used the savings in the gaping holes in LF and 3B...

Since: May 17, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 10:06 am

Stunning Madson move is Reds best this winter

Reds pitching depends largely on their ability to score runs.
The rotation has been coddled and misused and nobody aside from Cueto has learned to get past 100 pitches without imploding. Until the Reds get a pitching philosophy, their rotation won't keep them in the game well enough for the setup and closer to get any useful numbers.

Jocketty needs to find a pitching coach who can get the starters TO the 8th inning, not just INTO the 7th.
But this signing baffles me a little. One-year deals for closers ... is that maybe the newest trend?

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