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Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Posted on: January 24, 2012 8:38 pm
Edited on: January 27, 2012 2:25 pm
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Giants superstar Tim Lincecum's just-agreed-upon $40.5-million, two-year deal with the Giants means he and the team avoid arbitration right into free agency, which is a great thing. No team wants to go to arbitration with its biggest star. And Lincecum wasn't especially fond of the idea, either. He went right into the hearing room in Tampa two years ago, but when it became clear he wanted no part of the sometimes bitter system, he and his agent Rick Thurman cut a fair and quick two-year deal.

Once again, they've worked out a two-year arragement, right up to the day Lincecum can become a free agent. The problem is: what happens then?

Before polishing off the latest two-year deal, the Giants offered Lincecum at least $100-million on five years while Lincecum has countered with a deal of eight years, or at least seven years plus an eighth year option. It's early, but the sides are about $75 million apart, maybe more than that. They have two years to bridge that gap. But let's not kid ourselves. That's a whopper of a gap.

The team will likely have an easier time with Matt Cain, who's shown a willingness to take a hometown discount in the past. Thanks to Cain taking a $27.25-million, three-year deal, he will have made almost exactly half of Lincecum over their final three arbitration years. Some folks are risk averse. Cain is one of those folks, apparently. The word going around is that he will take a deal for less than $20 million a year. He could beat that as a free agent assuming he posts his usual year, but word is out, he will probably play it safe.

Meantime, Lincecum is the gambler. He's the swashbuckler. This should come as no surprise to those who have watched Lincecum compete. He seems to want to bet on himself, and if he puts together two more typical years, he may cash in big. Some could even see him as the game's first $200-million pitcher.
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Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: February 10, 2012 11:44 am
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Really SS is the only hole I would like to see them address, as I am not sure Brandon Crawford is just yet ready to take over full time... I dont mind the approach this year at all right now.
Cain=CY: You wrote that before the Giants signed Theriot, so I guess Sabean got your phone call. IMO, Theriot is one of the high average speed guys you want around Posey, Panda and Belt. He won't swipe 25 bases anymore and his leather isn't exactly Ozzie Smith, but he's adequate in both categories with a good knowledge of the strike zone. Also plays second base -- man, are Los Gigantes a team full of super utilities with a beachin' pitching staff or what?




Since: Jun 25, 2007
Posted on: January 29, 2012 3:26 am
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Tim better look to drive in his own RUNS. All his money will prevent them from getting a true slugger. If he turns into a ZITO type of production everyone will be laughing. Well , everyone except the Giants.



Since: Jun 25, 2007
Posted on: January 29, 2012 3:26 am
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Tim better look to drive in his own RUNS. All his money will prevent them from getting a true slugger. If he turns into a ZITO type of production everyone will be laughing. Well , everyone except the Giants.



Since: Jan 18, 2012
Posted on: January 26, 2012 7:02 pm
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

The Yankees will surely offer Lincecum at least a 5 year $140-$150 million in 2 years when he is a Free agent.  If the Giants match that it basically becomes a 7 year $190 million contract starting today.  



Since: Nov 21, 2008
Posted on: January 25, 2012 10:05 am
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Born: June 15, 1984

After his 2 year deal is over and he's FA eligible, he'll be entering the season in which he turns 30.  If he thinks he's getting a 7 or 8 year deal at that point, I personally think he's deluded.  He may go the rest of his career without ever gracing the DL or missing a start, but when upwards of $100M are at stake you better believe general managers and owners will view him as a high risk player due to his build and unorthodox mechanics.  His velocity has already dipped and playing in the NL in a huge ballpark (in a divison of huge ballparks) certainly helps his stats.  It seems the Giants and Lincecum are the perfect match for each other and it'll be interesting to see if they are willing to offer him another 5 year $100M+ contract in 2 years time.



Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: January 25, 2012 7:27 am
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

No offense to Lincecum, he's an outstanding pitcher, a potential cy Young winner every year...but you don't give that kind of length to a pitcher.  The kind of damage they sustain on an injury typically costs them at least a year.  With an eight year contract you could expect him to miss two years easily.  So in effect it would be a 6 year 200 million dollar deal.  In addition there is more precedence to pitchers not keeping up their standards (see Carlos Zambrano & Barry Zito) than hitters, which typicallly can deliver something even if they drop a notch from beginning to end of contract.



Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: January 25, 2012 2:20 am
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Why would we want Home Run hitters in this park? We want high average speed guys to put around Posey, Panda and Belt. Adding pure home run hitters is not the plan with the park constructed as it is currently. We need guys that can get on base, steal bases and score from 1st and second on the balls driven to the gap. And they took a good step in that direction with Melky and Pagan. Remeber, we get a high average guy in Freddy Sanchez back as well, which will help a lot. Really SS is the only hole I would like to see them address, as I am not sure Brandon Crawford is just yet ready to take over full time... I dont mind the approach this year at all right now. Plus over the next 2 years we lose Rowand and Zitos deal.... Thats huge!



Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 11:42 pm
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Lincecum will definitely be gone in two years. Cain is their guy. I really figured the Giants would be serious players for Fielder at the beginning of the offseason. I am a big fan of Sabean but he didn't do what he needed to do this winter. Melky Cabrera is not the answer, and the trade for Carlos Beltran last year really looks stupid now. As for Lincecum, his walks continues to rise, strikeouts continue to fall, he is taking a huge risk turning his nose at the 5 year $100 million+ deal he was offered.

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Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2012 10:20 pm
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

2 years is pretty far off. Remember 2 years ago when everybody was talking about how good the Giants and Rangers looked, like possible World Series champs? Yeah, me neither. Most importantly, for the parties in this case, the Giants will no longer be paying Barry Zito, and Lincecum will have had ample time to prove he's worth what he thinks he's worth. Right now it doesn't matter how far apart the Giants and Lincecum are on a long term contract, because Lincecum is not on the market. I would hate to see the Giants devote such a huge portion of their payroll to one part-time player, no matter how good he is, if it means cutting corners elsewhere. Unless the rules have changed, baseball is a team sport, and someone has to score runs, not to mention pitch the four games after Lincecum.



Since: Jul 21, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 10:06 pm
 

Now comes the hard part for Tim and the Giants

Surfs Up...  Right on the money as far as shedding years and contracts. Why no power bats coming in, home run hitters is what we need.Why not Fielder, too late now.


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